is there a problem with my pumptrol (normal 20/40) while it is running on 20/32 only? There is little room left to compress the differential spring any further. Hi Mike. I have replaced the Pressure switch and I can not achieve cutout, pump continues to run. Only 15 left in stock - order soon. if the pump pressure control switch has electrical power and won't stay in the "on" position, that suggests that the pressure diaphraghm of the switch is indicating pressure at or above the cutoff point. I turned the timer on and tried to send water to a sprinkler zone to no avail. Square D by Schneider Electric Pressure Switches You’ll notice quality even before you take your new Square D brand pressure switch out of the box. my pump will not restart by itself after emptying the pressure, just runs the pressure out till there's no water coming out. On 2015-08-06 by (mod) re: signs of a debris clogged Pumptrol Square D FSG2J20CP. It normally turns on and off by means of a Hunter controller. Could someone help me with what all these settings should be and best way to adjust them. I installed an RO system to replace an old RO that failed because of pressure (new permeate pump booster). thanks. Commercial/Light Industrial Pressure Switch is used to control electrically driven water pumps and air compressors. The range nut changes the cut-out pressure but the cut-in pressure never changes.Thank you, On 2017-05-09 by (mod) re: system loses pressure quickly when water is running & pump runs more often, WilliamTypical cut-in / cut-out pressures are 20/40 or 30/50. How do i fix this problem. But the pump running continuously and never delivering cutoff pressure is something else _ such as lost well water flow rate or a well piping leak or someone has lest a faucet open in the home. water everywhere, crud from the sensor, got it all back together, turned it on a start-stop cylcling! I am not sure how low it gets before it pumps. But with these readings I have bad adjustments. Square D™ Pumptrol® 40/60 PSI Water Pressure Switch Uh-oh. On 2016-07-04 by (mod) re: factory pre-set pressure control switch settings. i only closed one valve when i changed the switch, the main line in to the house. But when you add that running just a few gallons of water turns the pump back on, that suggests that the tank has lost its air charge. We have a relatively new well at our hunting camp/farm, about the same time the pressure switch went bad and needed replaced, ever since it was replaced (almost 2 years now) the water will go off for no apparent reason, then someone has to go to the basement and flip the switch off (water can be heard flowing at this point) then flip it back on and the pump begins to run again. On 2015-11-24 by (mod) can the spring in the adjustment nuts be replaced? Thank you - Andre 10/25/11. It certainly doesn't seem to be a difference of 20psi. Dimensions: 3.76" W x 2.8" H x 2.78" L. If you close a valve between the pump outlet and the tank (which sounds dangerous) wouldn't the pump turn off immediately as without the buffer (and air charge) of a pressure tank there would be no place to send water? If I plug it in, it won't stop running. Mike:Try reviewing the article PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS where the details of the water pump pressure control switch adjustment are described; if your switch does not match the one described then you just need to know the switch brand and model in order to go to the manufacturer to obtain the exact adjustment instructions. Hi. The frequency and duration of … please help - Shawn White 7/23/11. All but the FTG and FHG Pumptrol models will have that option. InspectAPedia tolerates no conflicts of interest. Operates regulation between 2 thresholds (with an adjustable differential). the cut on/cut off looks like it is working properly at 40/60. thanks - Mike Jones 8/22/11. Whats the problem? The factory settings for the switch sure aren't even close to being right though. I know this will eventually wear on the contacts much less possibly do damage to the submersible motor. The Pumptrol FSG2J20BP electromechanical pressure switch by Square D is the most trusted brand in residential, commercial and industrial pumping applications. On 2017-07-07 by (mod) re: sprinkler system makes the pump run continuously, Jim,My guess is that there isn't something further that you can do, because the rate at which you are drawing water exceeds the flow rate of your well or the pumping rate of your pump. The range on the switch doesn't seem to be right at all. Thanks to reader Rise for pointing out that turning a nut clockwise means "to the right" or to the "more tight" position in the convention of how most threaded devices work. Does anyone know what the problem might be, I replaced a pressure gauge which was faulty. Is this an air pressure problem in my water tank? Anon 7/20/12, Check for a clogged pressure sensor or tube feeding pressure to the switch, We have a relatively new well at our hunting camp/farm, about the same time the pressure switch went bad and needed replaced, ever since it was replaced (almost 2 years now) the water will go off for no apparent reason, then someone has to go to the basement and flip the switch off (water can be heard flowing at this point) then flip it back on and the pump begins to run again. Square D by Schneider Electric 9013FSG2J24M4 Air-Pump Pressure Switch, NEMA 1, 40-60 psi Pressure Setting, 20-65 psi Cut-Out, 15-30 psi Adjustable Differential, Low-Pressure Cut-Off 4.6 out of 5 stars 171 $27.95$27.95 Get it as soon as Fri, Sep 4 You could try removing the switch, replacing or cleaning the small diameter mounting tube for that device (where water flows up to push on the switch bottom), and if necessary replace the switch. $28.95. My well pump should cycle 30 seconds min acording to county code and it only cycles for 10 seconds why? It kicks on fine but kicks out at 50 , is it the pressure switch? Bladder bad? Andre:Please take a look at the pressure switch adjustment information in PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS. After turning off the power to my well pump and pressure switch and bleed the water pressure down to 25 psi; I returned about 10 minutes later and the pressure had gone back to 80 PSI. ), Gould J5S - Pressure Build Problems + Noises. Watch out: if your water tank does not include a pressure relief valve the installation is unsafe and someone could be injured (or worse) if a tank or pipe bursts. Any advice would be helpful - Mark 8/31/11, We are losing water pressure at any/all faucets/toilets/etc randomly- water will be running fine, and then it will slack off to nothing, then within 30sec to 1 minute, water will come back one and be fine. This is a 30/50 psi switch. Don't operate the pump too close to the highest cut-out pressure that it can attain, since there is the risk that when you're not watching the system may through wear or other factors leave the pump running until it burns up. If the leak is between house and well then unfortunately excavation is in order.If the leak in the well pipe is in the well and is between the water surface and well top, you'll hear or even see water squirting out of the leak when the pump is running; if it's under-water you may never see it without pulling the line.All of this means that you start by determining that the leak is between house and well.Search InspectApedia for"find leak in well piping" to find our diagnostic article, Pump won't come on: I just changed the pressure control switch and it will not turn on by itself. The Pumptrol FSG2J21BP electromechanical pressure switch by Square D is the most trusted brand in residential, commercial and industrial pumping applications. If in fact there is no or low water pressure in the system then perhaps the pressure sensing end of the switch or its mounting tube is debris clogged. I have no clue what is going on and seeing if someone could help. If above ground, is it a one line or two line jet pump? Or use the SEARCH BOX found below to Ask a Question or Search InspectApedia. Then of course after a short water usage the pump cuts in and repeats the above. It causes me a lot of trouble when I fill large livestock tanks,can I modify the switch to eliminate the low pressure shut off feature or must i replace the switch. I think he's hit with a pressure then the switch with simply not call or water outrun and you would have no water, my water pressure starts out strong but drops off after about 1 minute then no water at all i have 30 psi could this be relay, On 2017-05-19 by (mod) re: cut in pressure is too low, Probably need to adjust the range or larger nut first then the smaller not only the details in the article PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS .Let us know how that works for you, My cut-in pressure is too low 8 psi. Adjusting the differential will only adjust the cut-off pressure. On 2015-05-20 by (mod) re: no shutoff between pump and pressure tank. My pump controls (amongst other things) our shower and the ice maker in the fridge. Whan I get up the next morning it is back up to 45. i have a question regarding our jet pump,our problem is that the pump is on running situation but their is no water deliver to the tank,please advice us what to do before we proceed to the next step.thank you very muchandy, Hi after messing with both nuts my pump pressure guage is reading less than 10 psi please help. - David 11/5/11. That should be achievable by most well pumps unless the pump itself is damaged. - Anon 12/6/11. On 2016-08-29 by (mod) re: water stops for 10 seconds every few minutes. problem is it runs to often. The pressure switch is a 30-50 psi switch. On 2015-03-09 by (mod) re: variations in pressure switch controls. The main T and all fittings have been changed out and replaced with same size lead free parts. Also check the spread between cut in and cut out pressures. Finally, compare the pump capacity and lift height of the water with the pump specifications. I don't have the money for a p!number. Please help! A pressure switch is simply a device that reacts to the changing pressure in a system. We also provide a MASTER INDEX to this topic, or you can try the page top or bottom SEARCH BOX as a quick way to find information you need. Pressure switch bad? Type FHG - PUMPTROL Compressor Pressure Switch Now it i cutting in at forty psi and cutting out at fifty psi. I didn't check the cut in pressures before I made the change, just assuming it was set correctly. water pressure at a building. Probably a mistake. I adjusted both the range and differential, unfortunately in the wrong order. Or see PUMP PRESSURE SWITCH STANDARD (PSI) SETTINGS, WATER PUMP PRESSURE CONTROL ADJUSTMENT FAQs. bladder tank and pressure switch set-up. This check valve is positioned between the tank T and the pvc fitting at the house end of the pvc supply line from the well. If you have no air in the system the switch should work normally. I'm not 100% sure of course, but I don't think it's an air problem.Short cycling of a water pump describes the pump turning on and off too often when water is running, but not a sticky or misbehaving pressure switch.Burned switch contacts, a failing switch, a loose connection in the wiring, or a dirt-clogged sensor port on the pressure control switch base or in the tube that conducts water pressure to the switch are more likely at fault.Martin when you swapped in the new switch, if you left a clogged tube on which the switch mounts or that feeds water pressure to the switch, even the sensor port on the new one could be blocked as well.I'd also check voltage levels.And that the pressure tank is not waterlogged. I like higher pressure for watering lawn etc. This is a cottage application. #thinkingpriesthood https://t.co/lBkTaakiYb Don't just replace the switch as the most likely problem is a waterlogged pressure tank. PeteWatch the pressure gauge: if you see the pressure fall below the pressure switch CUT IN pressure then the switch is not responding, perhaps due to debris clogging; replace it. I hear it running all the time. I used the same pressure switch when i replaced it. Item Number: 9013FHG-12J52. I let off on the small nut all the way till there is no tension at all on the spring & it still doesn't cut off till 75psi.The larger nut works fine.Not sure what to do.75psi seems very very high. Check switch operation several times after adjustment to ensure proper pressure setting. Also as I was down at the well, and it was turned on their was some sloshing in the system as it starts and turns off. I can see condensation line above the half way line on the tank. Watch out: messing with a pump pressure control switch exposes live electrical connections - you can be killed if you touch live wires. Pump has worked fine until today for some reason it kept running after the 'timer' stopped. This switch has a 30 psi to 50 psi pressure setting range activates an electrically driven water pump within a power circuit when the adjustable rising and falling thresholds are reached. Under a normally set pressure switch, the pump should come on at 30 PSI and shut off at 50 PSI. That can happen for a variety of reasons like loss of water in the well, a well piping leak, water running somewhere that you didn't realize, a pressure switch set too high, or a damaged pressure sensor component of the pressure control switch. So if you have indeed lost the air charge, the bladder may be torn or damaged. This water pump pressure switch is designed for control of electrically driven water pumps. My water will run fine and then stop for ten seconds about every ten minutes, On 2016-08-27 by (mod) re pump turns on but won't turn off. Instead it hovers around 55 psi despite several attempts at increasing (clock-wise) the differential setting. - Jim Gale 10/17/11, what can be wrong with my well i put a new pressurer swithch the blader tank is good not lossing air but pump cut on and off ever two min what do i have to do to fix the problem - Anon 3/1/12, The pump is new and the pressure tank is old and the pressure switch is new. Gene:Check first for a blockage that would cause the pump to immediately reach cut-off pressure; monitor the actual system pressure to see what's happening. Note: appearance of your Comment below may be delayed: if your comment contains an image, web link, or text that looks to the software as if it might be a web link, your posting will appear after it has been approved by a moderator. Jen when the pump turns on and then immediately off it's as if there is no air in the pressure tank - so as water is not very compressible, the system reaches cutoff pressure immediately. (July 10, 2014) louie brown said:This information is awesome i learned alot thank you . - Gene Doverspike 12/6/11. How can I get the cut in back to 30. The cut-out, however, will not reach 61 psi, which is the desired set-point. My well is not quite a year old, we have always had plenty of water and pressure. so now i am monitoring the pump (as we have a smallleak upstairs) and listen to it while it runs (its right behind me so easy to monitor) and adjust them screws a little everytime. Once you have the pump operating normally in that pressure range you can try increasing the cut out, or both cut-in and cut-out gradually. It took several adjustments to fine tune (I also bought a new gauge), but I think I've got it set very close to what it was before. My switch is a Sq.D 9013FSG 30-50. WHY? It's uncommon to see a shutoff valve between pump and pressure tank, in part because unless you've got other special controls installed, the absence of the air cushion in the tank can cause horrible short-cycling of the pump that in turn damages it. i have changed the pressure switch and am still experiencing the problem. I didn't notice for a while and by the time I got to the pump, it was really hot. The pressure tank filled to 61 psi (as read on the water pressure gauge and verified with the automotive tire pressure gauge per test 1) above), at which time the 220v electric line safety switch (2 pole, single throw) on the nearby wall was turned off, which simultaneously turned the well pump off. Discussion in 'Pumps and Tanks Well Forum & Blog. As it reacts to that pressure change in the system the pressure switch generates or drops an outgoing signal that is used to initiate another action. When the plumber arrived the pressure was restored but since the system was 21 years old, I decided to have him replace the switch. I am not getting any power to turn it on, Can I raise the cut on/cut off with the main (larger spring)? What do you think? Thanks guys, next I might try raising the cut in cut off. I too tend to look first at work that was just recently done, or what was just changed, when debugging a building problem that has just shown up.I tend not to start by blaming the pump, though there could be an indirect cause there: if the plumbing changes increased the water usage rate or the rate at which the pump was asked to operate, a pump motor that was overheating (failing) might on occasion turn itself off on thermal reset then reset and begin again automagically. Our photo (left) shows a commercial type Square D 9013 Pumptrol® pressure control switch… pressure tank is at 38 lbs and the cycle ran for about 60 seconds.any suggestions? USD). Commercial Pressure Switches Class 9013 – Type G – PUMPTROL® Pressure Switch c Must be mounted in vertical position to maintain enclosure rating. Pump Pressure Switch Pumptrol™ Nut Adjustment Sequence. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. It tracked the water pressure gauge correctly, so we now know that gauge is OK. 2) There is a ball valve on the 1/4" pipe between the water pressure switch and the tank T. That valve was turned off once the cut-in took place. had a issue with low water pressure then no water pump runs all the time replaced the switch and drained the system to get rid of excess air in tank (when drained pump off had a lot of air in tank so removed excess air reset the system replaced switch and I get 10 to 15lbs water pressure and pump will not shut off is my pump gone ? If you need any more details just ask. for help in investigating that question. Dan that sounds like short cycling to me. I also fiddled with the small nut. Also sometimes it runs constantly and will not shut off. (See discussion in earlier post.) Square D 9012 pressure switches are not used on water pump systems. Thoughts on the probable cause would be appreciated. Thank you. Nov 2009. It is a new switch doing this and the old switch had been suffering from the same problem. thank you for answering me fast. Once I cut the power and remove the cover to the Pumptrol switch, I turned down (clockwise) the center spring loaded screw down (the higher one upon which the cover was affixed). but exceeds the desired 50 -60 psi cutout. This also just started happening once we replaced the entire reserve tank and pressure gauge and switch (we had a drip from our old tank, and a plumber came in a replaced the whole thing). - BigEd 7/16/11, The pump will not come on. The switch has a 1/4 in. Next, the water pressure tank was drained and refilled in normal use mode (by flushing a toilet) and the water pressure switch reverted to its troublesome ways of cutting-out near 55 psi. If you are losing pressure quickly I suspect your water pressure tank is waterlogged - use the search box just above to find and check out these diagnosis and repair articlesWATER TANK AIR, HOW TO ADDWELL PUMP SHORT CYCLING CAUSES. Square "D" Pressure Switch, Factory PSI Setting 80-100, Differential PSI 20 (Smaller HP) Square "D" Pressure Switch, Factory PSI Setting 95-125, Differential PSI 30 (Smaller HP) Price: $44.82. 20/50 is not unusual. I run the water the pump clicks on and off every 10 seconds. Great site! I recently replaced the pressure switch and now experience a lower cold water pressure. A-t-Q.2). Continue reading at PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS or select a topic from the closely-related articles below, or see the complete ARTICLE INDEX. It's suitable for all pumps including jets, submersible, and reciprocating. Adjust a Square D well pressure switch by turning it clockwise to raise the pressure and counter-clockwise to decrease the pressure. I meant the flow rate. Mike,I'm not sure what trouble you're having with the pressure control switch, and that those details might be diagnostic.If the pump is short cycling that's usually a pressure tank problem not a switch problem.If the switch is burning up while staying "on" you might need to go to a two-switch system in which the Square-D switch switches on a heavy duty relay that turns on and off the pump. The article PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS gives details of how to set the cut-in and cut-out; they are not quite independent adjustments. The pump cuts in at 28 psi and charges to about 42 psi and then cuts out. FTVOGUE 40-60PSI 110V-230V Water Pump Pressure Control Switch Adjustable Double Spring Pole See the water pressure loss diagnostic steps at WATER PRESSURE LOSS DIAGNOSIS & REPAIR (article link at the ARTICLE INDEX the bottom of this article ) Keep us posted - it'll help other readers. The pressure tank filled to 61 psi (as read on the water pressure gauge and verified with the automotive tire pressure gauge per test 1) above),..."If you close a valve between the pressure switch and the tank, how is the switch sensing tank water pressure? Apologies for the delay. I think your water tank may be waterlogged. After I did this I wanted to increase house pressure, thought I'll boost the air tank from 30 psi to 50 psi, then I pulled the pressure line on the jet pump to clean. I called Square D (Schneider Electric) customer service and they directed me to a local distributor to begin the process for getting a warranty replacement.Answer-to-Questions: A-t-Q.1) The water pressure switch is not sensing water tank pressure when that ball valve is closed. The increased tank size was recommended by a water treatment professional and the increased psi range is to meet the operating spec for an ozone device on the laundry cold water supply. Thanks for the info.My Cut-in pressure is very low, and when i tighten the big nut more, the pump runs forever (or really long time, and I'm worried about bursting the tank). I have a Square D Pump Pressure Control Switch. The differential nut is the 3/8-inch nut that adjusts the smaller of the two springs in Models FSG, FYG, FRG, and Type G switches. What should I do to get the pump to cycle properly? ... Pumptrol Pressure Switch, 9013FSG, 9013FSW, 9013FYG, 9013FYW, 65013-005-39 And yes a debris-clogged pressure switch can fail to respond properly to actual pressure. Yesteday, I installed a new Square D Pumptrol switch because my water was stopping completely and the re-starting after 10-15 seconds. Is it the pump pressure switch or something else. There we've sorted the remarks into subtopics, or you can use the on-page search feature of your browser. it is a 30/50 switch tank has 28 psi in it .my pressure will only go to 7 /8 psi?/ what do I need to do to get the pressure back up? it has been like this for almost 11 years now, just dont want future problems. Indeed the pressure tank air charge is not what determines house water pressure - that's controlled by the pressure control switch, as you observed. "click,click,click,click, then it finally sticks or maintains contact and the pump fills up the tank and stops. After all the helpful info here I just started dropping the tank pressure down to 39 and the problem was solved! Eventually. I have been having a problem with my well for a couple years now with it staying running. FAQs about how to adjust the pump pressure control switch using the Square-D Pumptrol™ as an example. Take a look at WATER PUMP SHORT CYCLING. JasonLook for a debris-clogged pressure control switch - or debris clogged pressure tube between switch and tank. Shaun the pump might still be actually going off at 60 if the gauge is clogged with debris and reading inaccurately. Any advice would be helpful. See the article titled WATER TANK AIR, HOW TO ADD (links at the ARTICLE INDEX the bottom of this article )You might also have a problem of sediment clogging at the pressure sensing switch and gauge both - even if you replaced the switch if its mounting tube were clogged the problem would continue. The risk is fully understood. In my opinion, IF the pump is still able to reach the CUT OFF pressure reliably and consistently, I'd not replace it. How do I raise the cut-in pressure up to about 25 psi?The differencial nut is backed off so the spring is loose. It should work ok even if there is, but if there is anything that would restrict the pressure flow to the switch you will have the fluttering you are describing. Is the low pressure cut-on set too low? anybody can help us fixed our problem, is it the adjustment regarding pressure switch please advice us what to do.thank you, Hi! but dont want problems. Turn the power off, and bleed the pressure off by opening a hose bibb, and then replace not only the switch but all the fittings incluting the tubing with brand new. 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